By the way, I’d like to say that I’m not going to be calling this guy a “killer” or a “murderer”. He’s a terrorist. The action was violence put towards a political end, ergo terrorism.
Anyway, I can only hope this is a factor of the guy’s insanity, because otherwise the next few months are going to be horrific. It doesn’t strike me as quite on par with an Osama bin Laden audiotape warning, but it’s at least up there.
Tiller, whose Wichita clinic was among only a few in the U.S. performing third-trimester abortions, was shot while serving as an usher at the Lutheran church he attended.
“I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal,” Roeder said.
He would not elaborate.
Also, this amused me.
In two separate calls to AP on Sunday morning, Roeder was far more talkative about his treatment at the Sedgwick County jail, complaining about “deplorable conditions in solitary” where he was kept during his first three days there.
Roeder said it was freezing in his cell. “I started having a bad cough. I thought I was going to have pneumonia,” he said.
He said he called AP because he wanted to emphasize the conditions in the jail so that in the future suspects would not have to endure the same conditions.
I’ll bet anything the same people who would sympathize with him are the ones that think having a “chilly cell” is no big deal when it’s happening to some guy snagged off the street in Fallujah.
Actually, wait, there’s a good question. This guy is a terrorist, there’s no two bones about it. He’s claiming that there will be more attacks, but doesn’t seem willing to elaborate on them. Ruminate on that for a few seconds. Terrorist. Further attacks. Won’t talk.
I would love to hear the rationale for why this guy can’t be thrown into a secret prison and given “enhanced interrogation” techniques until he spills the beans on whatever further “events” are planned. If more doctors die, does that mean we can say that if we’d only waterboarded Roeder, we’d have been able to stop them?
A conundrum…
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That’s disgusting… How can someone pro-life take a life?
You should def check this out too its called an Electronic Cigarette
I take it then, that you’re alright with waterboarding, etc., as long as you can define the term terrorist.
I’d love to hear your rationale for that.
By the way, do you consider ripping viable human beings from the womb to be torture,terrorism. or jut good business?
Just wondering.
I honestly don’t think he is. I get the impression he’s parodying the concept that obviously water boarding people isn’t a correct practice hence why America doesn’t do it to it’s own citiziens but feels it’s fine to do to brown people.
There we go. Glad you picked up on it.
As for Gunner’s question, I dunno. The same as I feel about spilling the seed of viable human beings down the toilet.
Well, Hanlon, now we know how much you value human life.
So, a plus 20-week old child in the womb is to be valued no more than the result of one of your evenings alone?
I’m not surprised that you think that, but I am surprised that you would actually write it.
Sad indeed.
I know. Why don’t we take the murderer of George Tiller and suck his brain from his head and dismember him? If it’s good enough for an innocent child in the womb, it’s certainly good enough for him.
The late Dr. Tiller’s clinic is already set up for it, so the expense to the taxpayer would be minimal.
How’s that for justice?
Think about what makes a human more important than, say, an octopus. You’ll probably come up with things like, “Our capacity to love,” or “Our ability to reason about complex subjects”.
Now think, do ANY of those characteristics apply to a fetus, let alone to a sperm or unfertilized egg?
There may be an argument about when human life begins, but that argument is irrelevant. The relevant issue is when sentient life begins, and there can be no argument that sentient life begins before birth.
@Gunner – you’re just reinforcing the author’s assertion that this was a terrorist attack supported by extremist’s that hate our freedoms. It’s clear that you condone the use of violence to break laws and violate the rights of others – peaceful citizens behaving in accordance with the ruling law of the land – in order to force your over-simplified sense of “justice” upon innocent contributing members of society that have the forethought to disagree with your hedonistic and irresponsible opinions.
Why don’t I see people like you standing on the street corners of impoverished areas protesting poverty and socioeconomic injustice? I have a hunch that it’s because preventing unnecessary death and suffering by improving the lives of people that end up pursuing Dr Tiller’s services doesn’t feel as satisfying as mowing a man down with gunfire during church services to bloodthirsty hawks like yourself…
You’re no innocent.. you’re a self-righteous pig.
I can’t seem to respond to your other post, so I’ll put it here.
Look, a fetus != a human. It doesn’t have the fully formed nervous system nor the various other organs. It’s closer in development to a snail than a person. The various animals you eat and the ones used to test the medicines and other chemicals we all use and enjoy are more sentient, more capable of feeling than the bundle of unformed body parts in a woman’s womb at that point.
Now if you’re going to tell me you’d also approve of murdering owners of slaughterhouses and scientists who do tests on lab animals, then maybe I would respect your position. As it stands you’re just being belligerent.
late term fetus == human
as long as the baby is attached to the cord by which its mother feeds the fetus there is no seperate life….only the mothers life
when the cord is cut and the baby manages to breath & stuff….new life
“do you consider ripping viable human beings from the womb to be torture, terrorism. or jut good business?”
Could you ask a slightly more biased and self-serving question to further reinforce your well poisoning fallacy?
Since you’re obviously too lost in self-righteousness to know that late term abortions are done when something goes very wrong with either the mother or the fetus, I thought I’d point that out.
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*sigh*
It amazes me that you both feel so strongly about the subject, yet neither one of you seem to have done sufficient research on human gestation. A zygote really could be equated to having a (good) parasite removed. Conversely, I would argue that at 8 months, you have a human. The rational argument really sits between 3 and 7 months, between the quickening and the point at which the thing could live in an incubator. The law should sit on the lenient side of grey.
I agree, my friend. 100%. I’m not suggesting that prior to birth it’s not pretty much a person. Just against the notion that if it’s growing in the belly it’s a human baby.
If you are anti-abortion (or pro-life), then all you have to do to be right with god is to not perform any abortions yourself. When it comes to other peoples business, why can’t zealots just butt the f* out?
Keep in mind that late-term abortions are primarily last-resort procedures for women who face death in childbirth or stillbirth in the first place.
But fetus tastes so delicious.
bounded by god’s teachings are like being grounded by your parents… but like John said dont get involve in whats not your business.
he is an American citizen and has rights… unlike those the were waterboarded
Hey idiot who hasn’t read the Bill of Rights – the word “citizen” appears no where in it. It applies to all persons, not just citizens.
If you can’t understand this simple concept – that rights are universal – then you’re an un-American disgrace to our country.
what is this tripe? stop calling this guy a terrorist. every lone killer with an agenda or justification is not a terrorist. he had a personal vendetta. you really think 3rd trimester abortions are acceptable? do you have any idea what actually occurs in a 3rd trimester abortion?
oh i know we’re living in a “post-911 world” and “they hate us for our freedoms” and all that, but really lets keep this in perspective.
oh i know we’re living in a “post-911 world” and “they hate us for our freedoms” and all that, but really lets keep this in perspective
Do you have any clue about what you’re talking about?
the very definition of “terrorist” is “one who uses violent or destructive acts in order to coerce a government into granting their demands.” since the guys explicitly says that “I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal”, he is, by the very definition of the word, a terrorist.
you, however, are an imbecile, or, “a person affected with mild mental retardation.”
From where i’m standing, the article had no stance whatsoever on the issue of abortion – he was merely stating that someone claims to know that future attacks are coming, and drew the connection between him and other terrorists, asking the question “should he be waterboarded, as he meets the criteria for a terrorist.”
Whether or not abortion, or late term abortion, or jerking off is an atrocity in your mind is absolutely beside the point – you can’t argue he’s not a terrorist because self-admittedly there is a level of organization in the murder of Tiller, and the future murders that take place. Systematically killing off doctors would be considered organized terrorism under our current law, just the same as systematically killing off a few thousand new yorkers.
He meets the definition under the law. So is he a terrorist? Yes. And should he be waterboarded? My opinion is no, because I don’t believe anyone should be waterboarded.
Should abortion doctors be waterboarded for being terrorists? My opinion is no, because I don’t believe anyone should be waterboarded, and under the LAW they are not terrorists.
You wanna make a real statement about abortion, you can do it any time by taking your hand off your bible and using it to dial your congressman.
“[S]hould he be waterboarded? My opinion is no, because I don’t believe anyone should be waterboarded.”
I agree, but I think the point Hanlon is trying to make is that terrorists should be treated alike. If waterboarding is okay for Arab terrorists, it’s okay for domestic ones. If it’s not okay, then it should be not okay, universally.
What I think is remarkable is that so many of these so-called “pro-life” twits are at the same time, and without hint of irony, also pro-death penalty.
So, don’t kill ‘em when they’re young, wait ’til the unwanted child commits crimes against society, THEN kill him. At taxpayers’ expense.
That’s not “pro-life”, that’s “anti-choice”.
The only thing all parties can agree to is that murder is universally wrong. We just need to define murder and the moral consequences of being wrong.
If abortion becomes illegal, I will personally wield a coat hanger in situations where I think there is no other alternative. I don’t subscribe to your definition of murder.
I’d think that this person trying to spread terror by alluding to more attacks *which is most likely just a rant) would qualify him as a terrorist if I believed such a term was politically educated. However, since the term is relatively ambiguous and contingent upon one’s perspective, I prefer not to use the term at all.
As for should he be waterboarded … no … no one should be. All torture really does is get people to admit to something to stop the torture, regardless of any factual grounds. Witch-hunters used dunking to get innocent people to confess to being witches, this form of torture would just do the same to whatever society villifies as a modern evil. Instead, I’d say this guy is just another violently deluded psychotic who committed murder, and treat him thusly so.
Keep in mind that late-term abortions are primarily last-resort procedures for women who face death in childbirth or stillbirth in the first place..
abortion, and its morality, are not even an issue in this post. it is sad that so many people can read a very straightforward article, and still completely fail to understand what it says.
the only issue here is that, if we have an american citizen captured on our soil, who is openly and proudly a terrorist, and who claims to know of future possible terrorist plots, and that our national stance on waterboarding is that it is permissible to use on terrorists who we believe may have advance knowledge of future attacks, then what possible rationale could our government have for NOT waterboarding him, but at the same time continuing to waterboard other “foreign” “terrorists”?
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[...] Hanlon’s razor asks an interesting question. The murderer of Dr. George Tiller in Kansas last week fits the profile of a domestic terrorist, and claims that more strikes will take place over the summer. He refuses to divulge details. [...]
Roeder said it was freezing in his cell. “I started having a bad cough. I thought I was going to have pneumonia,” he said.
This part kills me. He is a suspect in custody for a murder trial, and he’s crying crocodile tears about his conditions?? I hope that this guy gets everything he deserves for murder, then even more when he’s sent away for the rest of his life.
the argument, as we all know, is when does life really begin? it will drag out for years, much like I think this trial is going to do.
what if the shoe was on the other foot. say a pro-choice rolled his window down in front of some demonstrators camped at a Planned parenthood and opened fire, killing about 5 or 6?
Maybe that’s “similar events” that Roeder is talking about. I wouldn’t bat an eye if that actually happened.
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wow thats pretty crazy…. I can't stand the spread of terror. Just smoke some weed or something… relax… or maybe an electronic cigarette
cuz all this hate needs to stop.
wow thats crazy